是否可以使用电邮别名、分发列表或 Google Groups 作为客服电邮地址?



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Ryan Winkler

Zendesk Product Manager

已于 2024年8月06日 编辑


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Hey The Original DKNY,

It looks like the intent here may have been "lost in translation", so I figured hearing from me directly might help pepper some additional context.

My original intent of this article is to provide a way to "thread a needle of support" so you aren't left finding out about this after you go through setting your services up, as stated. We do not block them and if you are able to set them up and maintain them yourself, you will have no issue, as many companies do so without issue. 

I meant this as an acknowledgement and "heads up" that we've seen the woes of using them, and we can't troubleshoot a system outside of our products (such as your google group, or otherwise) and consequently will cause you frustration and confusion when troubles arise.

We figured it's better to mention it more explicitly and provide additional context, instead of setting you up for failure or frustration without it, while also suggesting use of a non alias or distribution group to circumnavigate issues in the first place. 

I took a look at your article and it looks like how they describe aliases serve a similar purpose (and overlapping functionality) as External support addresses. Setting up each address in the way that article suggests let's you take advantage of functionality such as brands, business rules and more.

Using both in conjunction can also add another layer of complexity (and additional relay/processing "jump") which, depending on context and configuration could end up negatively affecting your deliveribility either due to spam filtering or being "lost" in one of the layers. We've also seen on numerous occasions where a relay can malform email headers, causing SPF/DKIM/DMARC issues.

Email can be more fickle depending on who is processing it (and what parameters are used), so we'll always advocate  using the most direct and simple pathway possible, in addition to using the features we build that we CAN help you out with and support on our end. 

So while aliases are definitely "not out of the norm", they can add some "gotchas" and some behavior which have thrown people off if you're unaware, and could result advocacy having to "turn you away" without solving your problem if you hit one of them (since many times the configuration issue occurs outside of our products). 


Regarding feedback and requests --

Our product teams immensely value and actively review feedback requests, and works to provide solutions broadly based on them, and problems surrounding them. We're a passionate bunch and definitely don't want you to walk away feeling unheard or ignored or worse, so let me be the first to cheerlead and advocate for you to keep the feedback rolling! We love them, and want to hear more, sarcasm or not! The best avenue would be within our Ticketing feedback community, although we do our best to see them everywhere.


I hope this helps add more context, but if I missed something, let me know and I will be glad to jump back in and chat a bit more.



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Je comprends, mais malheureusement, nous n’avons pas de visibilité sur la façon dont les serveurs Microsoft traitent les informations, de même pour le fonctionnement de leur Antispam.  Sans avoir plus de visibilité, nous ne pouvons pas nous avancer sur la meilleure configuration à adopter dans votre cas pour Microsoft Exchange. 
 
Je vous recommande de voir avec leur support pour avoir plus d'information concernant le fonctionnement de l'Antispam et voir pourquoi ces emails ne passent pas de leur côté, et ouvrir un ticket avec nos services si nécessaire.  Nos équipes restent à votre disposition. 

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Bonjour.

Merci pour le retour.

Via une liste de distribution, je ne perd pas le Message-ID.

Via la procédure que vous m'avez envoyé, je ne le perds pas non plus.

Mais dans les deux cas, les emails ne passent pas dans l'antispam Microsoft avant d'être transféré dans Zendesk. Ce qui ne nous va pas non plus. 

On n'arrive pas à trouver un paramétrage Exchange où on a la fois la conservation du Message-ID dans Zendesk et le passage dans notre antispam Microsoft avant le transfert.

C'est surprenant... et sacrément gênant.

(Et non, ça ne nous convient pas de n'utiliser que l'antispam Zendesk moins performant et que notre Responsable Securité ne peut absolument pas contrôler. Et surtout l'accès aux emails suspendus dans Zendesk n'est accessible qu'aux admins, alors qu'on a des solutions pour les droits de nos utilisateurs pour qu'ils débloquent eux-mêmes les emails dans l'antispam Microsoft)

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Bonjour Anne-Flore,
 
Je suis navré, nous ne prenons pas en charge les listes de distribution, nous conseillons d’utiliser les services de messageries standard sans Alias ou routage particulier dû a une liste de distribution.
 
Si vous avez une adresse de groupe de distribution comme décrit ici,  vous pouvez essayer de mettre en place une redirection Microsoft vers l’adresse Zendesk https://learn.microsoft.com/fr-fr/exchange/recipients/user-mailboxes/email-forwarding?view=exchserver-2019. 
 
Nous ne pouvons pas confirmer que cela fonctionnera, car tout se passe du côté de Microsoft. Comme vous l’avez remarqué, vous pouvez avoir des soucis au niveau des spams et perte de message-ID en utilisant une redirection vers un groupe de distribution.
 
De notre côté, nous pouvons seulement vous inviter à utiliser une messagerie standard.
 
N’hésitez pas à ouvrir un ticket si besoin, nous restons à votre disposition.
 
Cordialement.

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Bonjour Ryan Winkler

Est ce que vous auriez le même type de préconisation à faire pour des adresse emails Microsoft Exchange ? J'ai des problématiques identiques avec des problèmes suivant si on paramètre des emails d'assistance en tant que Liste de distribution (problème avec l'antispam Microsoft qui ne passe qu'après la diffusion dans Zendesk) ou SharedMailbox (avec perte du Message-ID initial quel que soit le type de paramétrage de transfert testé). En sachant que le paramétrage en tant qu'Alias est effectivement à proscrire aussi.

Merci par avance.

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Thank you for updating, but just want to point email aliases were in fact defined as SHOULD BE SUPPORTED by SMTP services, servers, and clients. Please read RFC5321 Section 3.9.  That was adopted for ratification in 2008. 

This has been an open and often requested feature.  I guess your feature request notices from the Community are an email alias or google group and that is why this functionality does not exist. (Sarcasm is still free).

Just say you don't support it, rather than say it's not part of a defined IETF Standard, as it clearly is part of the defined SMTP standard. While it may not be a MUST be implemented to meet the standard, it is a SHOULD which often becomes a de-facto MUST based on best practices relating to the standard.

If email aliases are so outside the norm, why do Google, Microsoft, Zoho, Lotus, MajorDOMO, and LSoft ListServ all support and have documentation stating they support Aliases as part of the normal and defined function of SMTP services for clients and servers? 

The top: 3 most common aliases are directly related to the main use cases for Zendesk Suite and Sell https://blog.101domain.com/google-workspace/most-common-email-aliases

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Hi Ian, as Zendesk does not officially support the use of email aliases per this article, while it's possible in some cases the system may recognize an incoming email as part of an alias address, ultimately subsequent business rules built on the use of an unsupported alias address is similarly not supported.

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There appears to be a glitch with the introduction of simplified messaging and/or the new SPAM filtering that has broken google groups seamlessly working with zendesk. 

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Hi, we use a Google Group to forward emails to our support site and that group address has an alias. When I send emails to the alias, they get forwarded to Zendesk and Zendesk clearly recognizes that the email came from the alias address in the ticket events. Is there any way then to create a trigger etc that recognizes that an email was sent to the alias and not to the original email?

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Hi Dave Dyson, thank you! I looked at the article- it speaks to using GG as a support email address. I wanted to know if I can create a new ticket and send it to a google address instead of an individual mail ID. 

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